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[wickedflea]

Am I on crack here? WTF does "y'all" have to do with being a Klansman?

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[ferretsofglory.livejournal.com]

Geez. Like replacing it with a midwestern accent is any better. She replaces "y'all" with "you'se guys"

[wickedflea.livejournal.com]

Seriously! It's insane. "Yous guys" is SO much more intelligent than "y'all."

[buscemi.livejournal.com]

You know everyone in the South wears a white hood and robe, right? I saw it on Jerry Springer. :P

And now for a serious response...

[buscemi.livejournal.com]

Is she trying to forget where she came from or what?

Re: And now for a serious response...

[wickedflea.livejournal.com]

F'real. I have issues with a lot of the viewpoints of a lot of Southerners, but to link linguistic idiosyncrasies with those viewpoints is a bit much. I suppose I should link "youse guys" with mafia snuffings.

Re: And now for a serious response...

[ihvpave.livejournal.com]

Actually, yes, she is.

And frankly, she's trying to work through a lot of things related to self-hatred.

I understand why it's fun to bash on her, but as a deeply Southern woman - who has a strong love and affinity for her heritage, I still repect the fact that this girl is trying to come to terms with the fact she's been taught by a variety of media that to be Southern is to be "ig'nant." As a result, she has tried to distance herself from that, and is just now coming to grips with the fact that one has nothing to do with the other.

None of us are perfect. We're all pigs. As it were.

[diamond-j.livejournal.com]

I'm an Italian Jew hybrid from New York and the upshot of all the years I lived in Florida is that I occasionally let slip a "Y'all."
All this time, I had no idea I was condoning lynchings and burning crosses...

[wickedflea.livejournal.com]

It's true! The first time you said "y'all," you lost a hundred IQ points and most of your morality, you vile sinner.

[wickedflea.livejournal.com]

As well they should. Californians are genetically incapable of prejudice, of course.

[albert71292.livejournal.com]

With that logic, The Beverly Hillbillies("Ya'll come back now, you hear!") would have been racists...

[wickedflea.livejournal.com]

Seriously. And motherfuck anyone who would dis Jed Clampett.

[deadflowers.livejournal.com]

...floorboard of your truck.

excellent.

[wickedflea.livejournal.com]

Suckers better recognize.

[goatsupreme.livejournal.com]

I hate those "I'm a feminist but I'll pretend I'm not for 5 minutes so you can hold a door open for me" bitches!!

She can shove her pee-caaaaaaaaaaaaans up her dainty little ass.

[wickedflea.livejournal.com]

For REAL. Like, exactly which way do you want it?

[starflow.livejournal.com]

Oh my god, when did my mother get a live journal and how did you find it?!

She's exactly the same--hates being Southern and goes out of her way to erase every bit of it from herself. It's so sad. She has no clue why I love Georgia so much.

And yeah, pee-can is rampant in South Georgia. My mom's sister used to yell at her sons in her thickest southern accent, "a pee can is somethin' you pee in, not a nut!"

I've been meaning to tell you that I think you'd like my friend Angela's journal, lastcallforcorn.

[wickedflea.livejournal.com]

Added Angela. :)

And yeah--I just don't get the "OMG, if people know I'm Southern, they'll think I'm an idiot" mentality. If you're an idiot, inquiring minds are going to KNOW, regardless of where you're from. ;)

[carocrow.livejournal.com]

I wrote a long and sour retort but I see that community must be screened.

I doubt it will see the light of day.

[wickedflea.livejournal.com]

It went through. Big applause for you, my dear. :)

[ex-sinnie785.livejournal.com]

oh, he/she/it just hates his/her/its self. to really go off that hard and heavy on a fucking dialect is the epitome of having a really big stick wedged sideways up the ass.

i've NEVER thought "y'all" indicated ignorance. and the southern drawl? i know it makes me creamy. :)

[wickedflea.livejournal.com]

THANK you. Homething's got a sizable board up its ass.

[lastcallforcorn.livejournal.com]

oooh, that person (she?) makes me grumpy. she needs therapy.

GRRR.

you, however, are my new hero!!

[wickedflea.livejournal.com]

Why, thank ya. :

[wretchmuffin.livejournal.com]

Huh. A self-hating Southerner. I'd forgotten about those kids.
My dad's from Southern Illinois, which is barely even the South, but has a little drawl anyway--"y'all" is the only thing he's kept after so much time here in Idaho, and, mercifully, I've picked it up. And I use it, especially when I'm teaching. Know why?
Well, it makes good grammatic sense--we need a . . . whatsitcalled, vocative? plural pronoun in English.
Also: We need in education a gender neutral vocative plural, something which your "feminist" correspondent conveniently overlooks.
But actually, I think my dad said that "y'all" is actually a singular pronoun, and that "all y'all" is the plural form.

Long story short? I'm guessing your friend over there is very, very young.

[wickedflea.livejournal.com]

Exactly! "Y'all" serves a valuable purpose. But it's never really singular. Sometimes we address a single person that way, but it means "you and yours" or some such. Here, Roy Blount says it pretty well. :)

Recently I became aware of an airy new Southern lifestyle publication -- Y'all: The Magazine of Southern People -- out of Oxford, Miss., that might better be entitled Y'all: The Magazine That Doesn't Know What Its Own Name Means. In its premiere issue, Y'all declared that: "'Y'all' is singular. 'All y'all' is plural." That bit of blatant misinformation also appears in the "Dixie Dictionary" portion of "Suddenly Southern."

I don't know whether Y'all picked this up from Duffin-Ward or vice versa. She is not the first non-Southerner to insist that Southerners may call a single person "y'all," but to my knowledge she is the first to declare categorically, in the face of everyday evidence and all philological authority, that it is always a single person we so address. But she isn't one to brook elucidation. With regard to the singularity of "y'all," she writes: "Southerners will beg to differ here. They insist that even though they use it to address one person, it implies plurality."

Something -- either second-person-plural envy or hyperjocularity -- has affected Duffin-Ward's ear. People in the South do indeed sometimes seem to be addressing a single person as "y'all." For instance, a restaurant patron might ask a waiter, "What y'all got for dessert tonight?" In that case "y'all" refers collectively to the folks who run the restaurant. No doubt the implication of plurality is hard for someone who didn't grow up with it to discern. It may even be that Duffin-Ward has heard a native speaker, in real life, violate deep-structure idiom by calling a single person "y'all." That would be arguable grounds for saying that "y'all" is singular on occasion. But how can she have missed daily instances of people unmistakably addressing two or more people as "y'all"? When a parent calls out to three kids, "Y'all get in here out of the rain," does she think only one child is being summoned? ("All y'all" is of course an extended plural: "Y'all listen up! I mean all y'all." Often it is pronounced "Aw yaw.")

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3DE1F3CF932A15752C1A9629C8B63

[ilovescabs.livejournal.com]

Southern accents just makes people sound retarded.

[ihvpave.livejournal.com]

jack, fuck off

:P

[mariani.livejournal.com]

I live in northeast Kansas,guess I have a midwestern drawl..yippy-ki-yo..giddy up little doggies:)..never knew y'all made anyone racist,I like my drawl y'all;)

Jimi..area 51 blues

[wickedflea.livejournal.com]

Right on, brother--keep on keepin' on with the drawl. ;)

[miladyelizabeth.livejournal.com]

As a linguistic anthropologist and a southerner, this pains me to read.

[miladyelizabeth.livejournal.com]

Clarify: that woman't post pains me to read. How can someone hate who they are and where they are from that way? Take the good and the bad, but don't lump it all together. She really needs to spend some time around southern folks with class, or some ignorant racist yankees. Feh.

[wickedflea.livejournal.com]

Right on! Good to meet ya--added back. :)